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NAME: Stephen Giles
DATE: 27 September 2005
CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil, 1957-64
Hi, Vic. It was fascinating to read your description of
the time you spent at QE Boys on your
personal website. I was there from
1957 to 1964, so we overlapped slightly. I was in
Underne House with Poker Pearce as housemaster.
Alfie was my first form master in 1957. Other
memories - Eric Shearley yelling from one end of
the corridor to the other; School Captain Fyler -
a particularly sadistic specimen, the fat
geography master and of course Ernie Jenkins with
his "half term reports".
1st REPLY
NAME: Anon
DATE: 16 March 2008
CONNECTION WITH QE: Very old boy
I think you are doing Filer (school captain around late fifties?) down a bit in calling him 'particularly sadistic'; he was not as nice as that. Saw a copy of Rex Wingfield's book (
The Only Way Out ) on ABE recently. He was in the middle of writing it when I in the first form - didn't learn much Latin, but learned quite a lot about the Second World War. Does anybody remember the 'oldest Old Elizabethan'? Very sorry about Eric, he was my first master at QE. That was a tale that, had it not been for the war, he would have competed in the 1940 and/or 1944 Olympics. The same was said about Ken Bailey - now there was a sadist.
2nd REPLY
NAME: Vic Coughtrey
Then & NowDATE: 16 March 2008
CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1954-1959
I'd really love to get hold of a copy of Winkie's book. Yes, he was writing it when I was in his Latin classes, too. There's a thread dedicated to Eric - thread 16. As for Bailey - would that have been the English master, or am I thinking of Osborne? Anyway, I learned a very valuable lesson from one or the other of them. He had set an essay for homework on the theme 'freedom'. Now I was a thorough-going Marxist at the time, but I guessed what Bailey's (or Osborne's) views would be, so I wrote a fierce attack on Marxism for my essay, and extolled the wonderful freedom we all had in our glorious country (in reality I considered myself to be a trapped worm with absolutely no freedom at all, and must have been the least patriotic nematode in the school). The essay came back marked 20 out of 20 (is that unique in the history of QE essay marking?) and Bailey/Osborne was very indulgent towards me for the rest of the short time that I was in his English class. It was a good lesson for life.
3rd REPLY
NAME: Ian Sadler
DATE: 22 March 2008
CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1951-1958
Bailey was the 'sadistic' English master. He was actually a very good teacher but not above hitting you over the head with a piece of a desk lid for the slightest misdemeanour! One thing I remember about him was that when we had to learn a poem for homework most of the English masters made the entire class recite it one after another which took up least a whole period. Not K H P Bailey! You wrote it out from memory, then exchanged your paper with your neighbour who marked it out of 10, deducting one mark for each line which had a mistake in it. All over in 15 minutes!
Osborne was a French master who only lasted two years. Those of us who had him can't fail to remember his 'tableau' system. If you got 9/10 or 10/10 for an excercise you received a tableau - which would let you off a 50-line punishment from him. He wasn't a very inspiring teacher. Looking back I am surprised it took us a whole term to realise that if we built up a stock of 5 or 6 tableaux we could have a riot period. After that he lost control of all his classes and I learnt
later that he had been asked to leave. He was really too nice a person to
deal with bolshie teenagers and I have to thank him for teaching me to swim. He actually came into the pool and helped instead standing on the side and
yelling.
4th REPLY
NAME: Vic Coughtrey
Then & NowDATE: 16 March 2008
CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1954-1959
Speaking of masters too nice to keep control, does anyone remember Mr Harrison. He arrived brand new from university and I think he taught French. He took a particular liking to me, probably because I didn't take part in the truly disgraceful rioting that always erupted in his classes. It seemed really bad to take advantage of someone so green, nervous and well intentioned. Then, one day, at the height of the tumult, he said feebly "Aren't you all forgetting something?" While he was saying that, some fellow non-rioter was asking me, "Do you think we'll get anything done in this lesson?" I replied "French, hopefully!" Harrison heard my reply and thought it was in anwser to
his question. To everyone's astonishment, he gave me a resounding clout round the head. This reinforced for me the veracity of 'Winkie' Wingfield's favourite saying "There ain't no justice, laddie!". However, I gained some much-needed, if temporary, respect from the form bullies.
5th REPLY
NAME: Martyn Day
Then & NowDATE: 24 March 2008
CONNECTION WITH QE: inmate 1956-63
Regarding replies 1 & 2, RM Wingfield's book
The Only Way Out' is his personal recollection of being a member of the PBI (Poor Bloody Infantry) fighting across France from D.Day, June 1944 to February 1945. The 'only way out' that he refers to is being killed or wounded....and that is how he got home, with a 'through and through' wound to his stomach. He actually showed us the scars front and back and described being shot as like a sharp punch to the midriff. It didn't hurt him at first, only winded. No wonder that he found a lot in common with Caesar and his interminable Gallic Wars!
6th REPLY
NAME: Vic Coughtrey
Then & NowDATE: 24 March 2008
CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1954-1959
I've just ordered a copy through Amazon - only £4! The title (as Winkie himself explained to us when he was still working on the book) is from the battlefield saying: "The only way out is on a stretcher or six feet under". It seems the book came nowhere near to being a best-seller, as it was published in 1956 and Winkie continued to work at the school for another 6 years. A year after he left, I discovered, while doing some door-to-door selling, that he was still living in his modest little terrace-house in Byng Road. He was very grumpy, almost belligerent, and told me what he thought of door-to-door salesmen. It wasn't nice.
7th REPLY
NAME: Anon
DATE: 15 June 2008
CONNECTION WITH QE: Very old boy
Another French master who didn't last long
[Reply 3] was called Strickland. His catchphrase was 'the rule is'. I recall Ken Carter breaking up a riot in a French class - that was the beginning of the end and Strickland left quite soon afterwards.
8th REPLY
NAME: Vic Coughtrey
Then & NowDATE: 16 June 2008
CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1954-1959
The way I remember Strickland is that in trying to present a very fierce image he went right over the top and thus became a joke and lost respect.
9th REPLY
NAME: Ian Sadler
DATE: 20 June 2008
CONNECTION WITH QE: pupil 1951-58
Strickland followed Osborne (who I described in reply 3). He was indeed 'over the top' strict to start with but as you say eventually lost respect and control and left just before the end of his first year with a nervous breakdown. There is a very interesting list of the staff 1930 -1961 in an Appendix in EHJs book
An Elizabethan Headmaster' which categorizes the reason for each member of staff leaving e.g 'retired' or 'appointment terminated'!
10th REPLY
NAME: Derek White
DATE: 21 September 2008
CONNECTION WITH QE: pupil 1955-62
Winkie
[replies 1,2,5,6] used to mutter an aside at D P Smith "Get your feet down DP" a subtle reference to DP's habit of lounging back with his feet on his desk. Ben Strickland
[repies 7,8,9] initially terrified me in 1A - but eventually the worms turned and I remember straw being thrown all over the floor and trip wires between the desks and Simon Meade falling off his seat - remember those strange flip top desks with flip seats? Meade was dragged out in front of the class with Ben shouting at him - Meade was shaking with laughter and the lesson ended in chaos with all of us infected by hysterical laughter - amazing.
11th REPLY
NAME: DP Smith
DATE: 14 January 2011
CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1955-62
I have only just come across this website and was amused to find Derek White's reminiscences, which brought a lot of old memories flooding back. I regrettably mislaid my signed copy of Winkie's
The Only Way Out, but will have to look for a replacement. I have been living in retirement in Northern Ireland for the last 18 years desperately trying to improve my golf handicap. If any of my contemporaries would like to get in touch please ask the webmaster for my email address.
12th REPLY
NAME: David Carter
DATE: 29 December 2011
CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1954-61
Your recollection of Mr Bailey
[replies 1-3] being the sadistic bastard
par excellance is well founded. I remember him once losing his temper after one of the poetry learning homework and beating a boy's head against the wall. We were all aghast, but too scared to do anything about it. He left soon after, so perhaps he had been reported? Mr Strickland started being severe - 'strict by name and by nature' - but after a time just lost control.
13th REPLY
NAME: Peter Swann
DATE: 07 February 2012
CONNECTION WITH QE: Taught by Bailey elsewhere
I am not from your school, but I think I went to KHP Bailey's next school, Tudor Grange Grammar School in Solihull. He continued to be as some of you described and I saw him do things that would today command prison. I think he went on to be headmaster of a school down south. Heavens!!!
14th REPLY
NAME: K M Marks
DATE: 12 March 2012
CONNECTION WITH QE: pupil 1947-54
Bailey, having been bested in an argument by a very clever boy called Peter Judge (what happened to him, I wonder) spat out: "The trouble with you,Judge, is that you're a third-rate, jumped up, mock-intellectual". The ideal schoolmaster. Does anyone remember the amazingly bad, but harmless Mr Lant who tried to teach Latin? Total riots in his class. Ernie used to patrol outside and occasionally swept in to restore order. And the French assistants were good for a minor riot. Teddy England said to one: "Paris? is that where the big knobs hang out, sir?" "Oh yes, that ees ware zee beeg knobs 'ang out", was the cheery reply. Another idiom for the note-book. Good luck to all who survived the 50s (and 40s).
15th REPLY
NAME: K M Marks
DATE: 03 April 2012
CONNECTION WITH QE: pupil 1947-54
Wingfield split us into skins and shirts for some game activity
and counted down one of the teams thus: "One skin, two skin, three skin,
five skin..." which got a laugh. Dear KLW walked first into the dining
room and realising he would be obliged to say grace (first man in did)
said: "Oh no you don't" and walked out. Jenkins teaching A Level history
said many things of course. I remember: "Napoleon was a pretty average
tick"; "Shelley played fast and loose with many women". Good for bloody
Shelley, we all thought. "Gentlemen, we don't clap fifties" (at cricket).
Praying on stage he said: ..."love to unite us and courage to support us"
In the gallery just behind me TE Smith whispered: "Take more than courage
to support ME". Jack Irons wearing cords (school uniform being almost
non-existent in my time at QE: only tie and cap were compulsory) was
scanning the notice board in the entrance hall. Ernie passes, says: "Bit
arty aren't they, Irons?". Ernie walks into lesson when Finnett is teaching, gives
him a mild bollocking and leaves. A slightly pale Finnett says: "Enough to make a bloody cat laugh" And as for
Latin, one of our number, brow furrowed in the agonising quest for
knowledge said to some poor guy: "Siiiir," (the longer the 'sir' the more
deeply-felt the question) "what exactly IS the latin for 'and so peace
was declared'? Just so the answer would start:
Tam pax.. Sad really, but
anything for a laugh: QE in 1950 wasn't wall-to-wall hilarity.
16th REPLY
NAME: Martin Sheward
DATE: 11 April 2012
CONNECTION WITH QE: pupil 56-61
Reading your entry brought it all flooding back. How Wink
[see also replies 5,6,10] used to try to convince us that Latin was a viable modern language with translations of such as
My Old Man's a Dustman or Dan Dare (
Aulas Audax). When somebody asked the meaning of
senex his reply was "that little wizened old geezer who crept out of his kennel every morning". Wink of course had a book published called
The Only Way Out, about his experiences in the PBI after D-Day. Now for some other names to ponder: Eric Shearley, Poker Pierce, Alford, Angus Fry, Sam Cox, Hugh Purchas, The Rev Upton, Martin Gould to name a few. So many faces that I can't put names to. Dickie Whittington had a habit of reading a paper while the music was playing, in which he'd cut a hole which we couldn't see!
17th REPLY
NAME: Vic Coughtrey
Then & NowDATE: 11 April 2012
CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1954-1959
Yes, I'd forgotten Winkie's attemps to popularise Latin. He introduced some magazine intended for schoolkids, all in Latin. It included attempted versions of modern adverts, the only one of which I remember being the one for 'dentifricio' - toothpaste. But actually, Latin
is a viable modern language. The Israelis dragged Hebrew into the modern world very successfully and that's a lot older than Latin! I'd love to see Latin become the new
Lingua Franca of Europe - just a fantasy, of course.
As for your list of other masters, they have all been discussed to one extent or another in various threads - see
list of former staff - but of course any further stories about any of them them are always welcome.
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18th REPLY
NAME: Stephen Giles
DATE: 14 April 2012
CONNECTION WITH QE: six O-Levels 1957-64
Hello Martin
[see reply 16] - what have you been doing all these years? I remember that we were in the same class for a couple of years until I was kept down!
19th REPLY
NAME: Martin Sheward
DATE: 14 April 2012
CONNECTION WITH QE: inmate 56-61
Spent time flogging motor spares until 2001, ending up at Heathrow Airport before taking early retirement. I was kept down also. My best day at the school when my father withdrew my attendace on the first day of new term. You remember how we all waited to be let in. I turned up and took the wee wee.
20th REPLY
NAME: David Selway-Hoskins
Then & NowDATE: 06 June 2012
CONNECTION WITH QE: pupil 1955-62
Mention of English master Bailey
[see reply 3] reminds me of one time this normally stern master showed his comic side. One of our form (I can't remember who) had nodded off in the middle of class. Rather than blow a fuse, Bailey put his finger to his lips for silence and we tip-toed out of class, leaving the hapless sleeper all alone! When Bailey left, the school bought him a cigarette case and he thanked us with the comment that he had planned to forget all about QE, but would now be reminded of us at least 50 times a day. Back to Winkie Wingfield
[see replies 4-6, 15-17], I do have a signed paperback of his masterpiece,
The Only Way Out, about his wartime experiences and picked up a hardback in a second-hand bookshop which I once worked in.
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