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21st REPLY

NAME: James (Jas) Cowen  James & Ayleen Cowen James Cowen galleryThen & Now

DATE: 12 May 2014

CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 56-63

I note your point, Vic, about it being a lot of trouble deleting the obsolete 'country' field on the forms [reply 18]. In the deeds of my house there are several obsolete covenants that I have not bothered to eliminate due to the cost of relevant legal fees. Our house in its time has been the HQ of a brewers and we are forbidden to compete with the opposite establishment in selling beers etc. Both businesses have long disappeared and the establishment opposite has been in our time a furniture showroom and a block of flats but never a seller of beers. Have other OEs similar experience of an obsolete blast from the past? In connection with Adam's conveniently seeking Argentinian citizenship, when younger I always fancied marrying a Swiss girl and obtaining Swiss residence rights of living there. It always seemed a wonderful place to live but one of our Peter Pan club was there for many years and has moved back saying it is not all Alps, Lakes and Swiss meadows there.

NOTE FROM VIC: That obsolete 'country' field has at last been deleted ! But I'm afraid it's been replaced by something equally likely to irritate people - a requirement to enter your email address twice. The two must match for the form to work. Inaccurate email addresses (and several of you are guilty now and again) delay emails confirming publication of messages. The good news is that what you've already typed will no longer be lost when you get an error message.

22nd REPLY

NAME: Nigel Wood  Nigel Wood

DATE: 13 May 2014

CONNECTION WITH QE: pupil 1957-64

...in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love - they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.
We live in a large 'barn' conversion complex (17 housing units) and all residents have signed up to silly covenants which, among other things, forbid us from having structures, plants or trees which are more than 6 ft high. Needless to say, almost all of us ignore such nonsense: have you ever come across a greenhouse, a walk-in shed, even a mature fruit tree which is less than 6 ft high? But as Jas implies, the cost of altering covenants is prohibitive. (Have a feeling we're really in 'Wider World' territory!)

Yes, it could well become a WW topic if we get much more about obsolete covenants etc.

23rd REPLY

NAME: James (Jas) Cowen  James & Ayleen Cowen James Cowen galleryThen & Now

DATE: 13 May 2014

CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 56-63

In connection with famous names from QE's past [mainly original message & replies 1-7], one distinguished don at Jesus College, Cambridge was Freddie Brittain (OE 1906-11). He married Muriel Cunnington, an ex QEGS girl, in 1959 and his rooms at Jesus was 13 Chapel Court. When at Cambridge I attended a Cambridge OEs dinner at the college along with other OEs up there at the time. He was very involved with Jesus College Boat Club and wrote books about it with Humphrey Playford, who also rowed for the winning Cambridge boat in 1920/1/23. He also wrote a History of Jesus College with Arthur Gray, as well as biographies of Bernard Lord Manning and Sir Arthur Quiller-Couch, the compiler of the Oxford Book of English Verse. At the last OE 40 club lunch I was sitting next to DM Cowie (ex Stapylton House and Queens College Cambridge) and he, like me, rowed for his college and also remembered well Freddie Brittain. Have there been any OE Oxford dons?

I have bought one of the copies you referenced, Vic, of CL Tripp's book [see green footnote to reply 15] and will comment on it maybe later. In regard to your green footnote to reply 3, I have recently tried to edit Wikipedia but find now there are restrictions on doing so due to the misuse by some. I have applied for an account with them to be able to make entries now under the new regime.

24th REPLY

NAME: Max Dyson

DATE: 15 May 2014

CONNECTION WITH QE: old boy 65-72

I have just been loaned Cecil L. Tripp's book [reply 15], second edition 1954. A brief perusal shows a plethora of detail. School cricket ball throwing record set in 1896 was 101yds 1ft 1in, by F.J.Martin!

25th REPLY

NAME: Nick Dean  Nick Dean Nick Dean gallery

DATE: 17 May 2014

CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1964-71

At school I was vaguely aware of Freddie Brittain's status as greatest living OE [reply 23]. I recall one senior master being privately scornful that wheeling him out from time to time was the best that the school could do. Some years later, glancing at a bookstall on the South Bank, I came across a slim volume by Dr Brittain entitled, Tales of South Mymms [sic] & Elsewhere. This (a signed copy) was published in 1952 by Heffer's of Cambridge at 4/- and I bought it on impulse for £5. Brittain was described then as a Fellow of Jesus and Churchwarden of South Mymms. He noted in one of the stories that "at the beginning and end of each university term, I have to make the railway journey between Cambridge and Hitchin" and that he enjoyed especially the open stretch between Hitchin and Letchworth. Somewhere else he refers to his habit, in his rooms in Jesus, of "sitting on the floor or on a settee with my legs crossed and hidden under me - like a Buddha", a practice which evidently amused some and startled others. I discovered also that Admiral Byng (shot after failing to relieve Minorca) lived in Barnet, one rather contrived story beginning with his chatting to a clergyman in the High Street on Christmas Eve 1753. This conversation got on to the subject of Voltaire who, after Byng's demise, made his famous observation about encourager les autres.

Ah, hence Byng Road, which shares the eastern boundary of the school. Thanks, Nick - it's taken me 71 years to find that out (not that I ever tried).

26th REPLY

NAME: Nick Dean  Nick Dean Nick Dean gallery

DATE: 19 May 2014

CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1964-71

There is a Byng Drive in Potters Bar and also an Admiral Byng pub, though I'm not sure which came first. The present pub is in quite a modern building. It appears that Byng lived at Wrotham Park which, I suppose, is about equidistant between Barnet and Potters Bar. In recent years it has been used for period dramas, such as Gosford Park; and, for some reason, virtually every adaptation of Lady Chatterly's Lover seems to have been filmed there. I recall an interview some years ago with Sylvia Kristel who was reported as purring the word, "Bar-net" (with the emphasis on the second syllable), thus, in the words of the interviewer, making it sound more exotic than Potters Bar.

27th REPLY

NAME: Nigel Wood  Nigel Wood

DATE: 19 May 2014

CONNECTION WITH QE: pupil 1957-64

Some believe that Byng's execution, hugely unjust though it was, did indeed encourage the others, in the sense that after this cause célèbre, British officers did tend to engage in actions where the risks might reasonably have dictated a more cautious approach! I'm surprised no-one at QE told us about the Byng Road connection, but like Vic, I never knew. Does anyone know why Union Street is so called? The name is often associated with the district workhouse (because parishes clubbed together in 'unions' to share the cost), but Barnet General Hospital in Wellhouse Lane is the site of the Barnet workhouse, I believe.

NOTE FROM VIC: The entrance to the Union Workhouse (and subsequently the 'back' entrance to the hospital) was at the end of West End Lane From this Google map you can see that the quickest way to get to West End Lane from the High Street is to go down Union Street.<

28th REPLY

NAME: Nigel Wood  Nigel Wood

DATE: 20 May 2014

CONNECTION WITH QE: pupil 1957-64

Vic, that's brilliant! Not being a proper Barnetonian, nor having the sense to look at a map, I didn't have West End Lane on my mental map, and thought of Wellhouse Lane as the only route to the hospital/workhouse, making the Union Street connection seem tenuous. But it isn't!

29th REPLY

NAME: Martyn Day  Martyn DayThen & Now

DATE: 20 May 2014

CONNECTION WITH QE: Inmate 1956-63

Union Street has been mentioned in these pages before In the early 60's a number of us went to see 'Screaming Lord Sutch and the Savages' play at the Union Hall in the aforementioned thoroughfare. It was clearly a memorable and influential event for all. I, for one, will never look at a toilet seat in the same way again!

30th REPLY

NAME: Vic Coughtrey  Vic CoughtreyThen & Now

DATE: 20 May 2014

CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1954-59

That hall was called the Assembly Rooms. From 1959-61 I was a regular at the Tuesday night trad Jazz sessions there, run by Barnet Jazz Club. There's a paragraph or two about it in Chapter 14 of my personal website. Not mentioned there is that little pub next door, which was always jam-packed before and after the sessions and in the interval, as the hall had no liquor licence. The battered old piano was so bad that some bandleaders would send their pianists home. It was partly the musicians' own fault, as they insisted on lining up their pints, brought in from the pub, along the top of the poor old joanna and quite a lot of the McMullens ended up in the works. I don't know when the Assembly rooms were demolished, but the last time I went on a nostalgia trip to Barnet (several years ago), there was a GP surgery on the site. Incidentally, I've arranged to go on another nostagia trip to Barnet in July, in the excellent company of QE contemporaries Nigel Palmer and Brian Hond. If there's anything anyone would like me to report back on, I'll see what I can do.

31st REPLY

NAME: James (Jas) Cowen  James & Ayleen Cowen James Cowen galleryThen & Now

DATE: 21 May 2014

CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 56-63

In your 25th reply, Nick, you mention the book by Freddie Brittain Tales of South Mymns (sic) and elsewhere. You are clearly here questioning whether it should be Mimms or Mymns. By looking at Wikipedia, which I hope is correct, it would appear now that South Mimms and North Mymns should have the confirming vote now. In regard to the northern village there is a North Mimms Place and a North Mymns House. Wikipedia declares that the two spellings of Mymns and Mimms have been used interchangeably until Feb 1939 when Herts County Council decreed in a council meeting that the spelling should be fixed as Mymns. My friend at school's family (the Fawdreys) lived at Paphos Cottage and their address was always given as South Mymns. The funeral address for Muriel Brittain on 12/1/2007 was given at the Parish Church of St Giles, South Mymns and St Margaret's, Ridge. She died many years after Freddie (he died in 1969).

32nd REPLY

NAME: Nick Dean  Nick Dean Nick Dean gallery

DATE: 21 May 2014

CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1964-71

Couldn't find anything more about the 'Union' aspect [replies 27-30], but I did come across some bits of information about the history of Union Street (or Union Road as it used to be called). It was constructed in the 1830s and was, in effect, a by-pass to enable coaches to get from Wood Street to the High Street without having to negotiate the awkward junction by the parish church, where the former cottages of Middle Row were still in place. According to once source it was originally known as Hartshorn Road, after the Hart's Horn pub which stood on the northern side of the junction of Union Street and the High Street, having being reduced substantially in size to enable the new road to be built.

Very interesting, Nick - and it's quite likely that it was commonly referred to as 'the Union Road' (the way to the workhouse) while it was still officially called Hartshorn Road.

33rd REPLY

NAME: Derek Scudder

DATE: 22 May 2014

CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1957-64

Vic, if you are going on a nostalgia trip around Barnet [see reply 30] don't bother looking for Maws, where we both worked, as it is now a housing estate. In fact most of the places I worked at are now housing estates, including Astra Pharmaceuticals (now AstraZeneca) in Watford and Marconi Defence Systems in Stanmore. I'm sure it's just coincidence, not my putting a jinx on the companies.

34th REPLY

NAME: Nick Dean  Nick Dean Nick Dean gallery

DATE: 22 May 2014

CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1964-71

Grateful to Jas for his informative reply 31. This week I voted in the North Mymms Memorial Hall, which is next to the North Mymms Social Club. We are members of the North Mymms Horticultural Society (founded 1868) and every year we visit North Mymms Park when it opens on behalf of the Red Cross. So I can certainly confirm the contemporary preference for 'y'. My spelling of the more southerly community with an 'i' was influenced from a very early age by the 29 bus, which started as far away as Victoria and continued from Cockfosters, where I lived, to Potters Bar and South Mimms - and, early and late in the day, to Borehamwood. A map, published in the North Mymms parish magazine in 1896, has "North Mymms" and "South Mimms". The former comprises several villages or hamlets and, in my experience, hardly anyone says that he or she lives in North Mymms, let alone Hatfield, which is part of the official postal address. (Incidentally, I assume that Jas's "South Mymns" is a slip of the key?)

35th REPLY

NAME: Martyn Day  Martyn DayThen & Now

DATE: 22 May 2014

CONNECTION WITH QE: Inmate 1956-63

One or two spelling mistakes in reply 31 it seems. Mymms (or Mimms) as in North Mymms and South Mymms has always been Mymms - 3 'm's, and not Mymns, with an 'n', as suggested. To misquote our late great geography teacher Mr. Sam C... "The book's wrong! I know - I lived there!" People living in the parish of North Mymms regarded those who spelt the name Mimms, with an 'i' as 'townies' and beyond contempt! So there! Yours pedantically.

36th REPLY

NAME: Nigel Wood  Nigel Wood

DATE: 23 May 2014

CONNECTION WITH QE: pupil 1957-64

To add to Derek's list [reply 33], another factory demolished to build a housing estate: Standard Telephones and Cables in New Southgate, where my father worked - gave the best years of his life, in fact. I don't think he had much fun there. It was a huge campus, with several large factory-cum-office blocks, canteen, playing fields etc. I worked there as a student during two Summer holidays. The only thing I remember clearly is a piece of radio equipment which had been built for a client and which didn't quite meet the specification. The immediate response was to get the client to agree to a change in the specification. So that's the way things are done, I noted.

37th REPLY

NAME: James (Jas) Cowen  James & Ayleen Cowen James Cowen galleryThen & Now

DATE: 28 May 2014

CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 56-63

In relation to Max's reply 24 I wonder if anyone knows when school competitive cricket ball throwing stopped. I do have some interest in the subject as my cousin Robert Chopin did grab his school record for this event at Borehamwood Grammar School (no longer existing under this name). My Auntie Joy sent two of my cousins (Michael and Robert) to that school after adverse reports of QEs by their brother David, who was at QEs before me. I also look forward to any further comments on Mr Tripp's book. I hope to say something later myself.

38th REPLY

NAME: James (Jas) Cowen  James & Ayleen Cowen James Cowen galleryThen & Now

DATE: 28 May 2014

CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 56-63

Yes indeed, Nick [reply 34] and Martyn [reply 35], I have made the error not once but seven times in my reply 31. In all cases for 'Mymns' please read 'Mymms'. I even misread the spelling of the book mentioned in the 25th reply. The trouble is, it is spelt wrongly in my old address book and I carried this over into my thinking and writing. I will now write it out several times correctly to erase this fault and so as not to repeat such poor behaviour. I won't go as far as doing 50 lines. I hope all other aggrieved ex South Mimms (or Mymms) or North Mymms residents who see my reply 31 will also see your replies. I thought maybe I should ask Vic to correct my errors but that would make a nonsense of your replies. Apologies once again for the misspellings. Incidentally I don't suppose there are many places that have arguments regarding the spelling of the place name. Our Ludgershall here has been so for decades, despite some disputes as to its origin.

39th REPLY

NAME: Nick Dean  Nick Dean Nick Dean gallery

DATE: 28 May 2014

CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1964-71

STC was just down the road from where we used to live in Oakleigh Park. Occasionally I played tennis on the company's courts with a friend who worked there. The site was next to the East Coast mainline and I understood that, for a while (probably late '70s/early '80s), consideration was given to building a new station to serve the complex, between New Southgate and Oakleigh Park. Apropos of nothing, I came across a poem recently by John Betjeman, who, in the early 30s, taught at a school in Cockfosters. Rather quirkily, this referred to "Oakley Park" (as in the celebrated sharpshooter).

40th REPLY

NAME: James (Jas) Cowen  James & Ayleen Cowen James Cowen galleryThen & Now

DATE: 02 June 2014

CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 56-63

To add to Derek and Nigel's list [replies 34 & 36] ICI Plastics that was in Welwyn Garden City, where my wife worked as a language translator and interpreter, has long disappeared. In regard to a couple of firms here in the Andover/Tidworth area where I worked as a temporary accountant they went down soon after I left them. I too swear it wasn't anything to do with me. Nor was it my fault the Property and Development company I worked for as Finance Director in Southampton got in to financial difficulties in the recession of 1990.
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