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ORIGINAL MESSAGE NAME: Gerry HuntDATE: 05 December 2012 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1954-1961 RE: Leicester House photograph (1960) in the museum: Left‑hand enlarged section, 3rd row, 8th from left - CR Brand (see thread 106); 9th from left - M F Lock (Martin?); 10th from left - Gil Smith (assistant housemaster ?); 11th from left - Chris Dickman. In the right‑hand enlarged section, 2nd on the left in the 3rd row is me. I'm sure I'll think of one or two more names soon when the long term memory replaces the short term memory a bit more! WEBMASTER'S NOTE: Gerry's original message had it as the 4th row, but he's since corrected it to 3rd.. |
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NAME: Brian Seal DATE: 11 December 2012 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1957-1963 OK, here's my stab at the 5th row of the Leicester House photo (right‑hand section): Roger Birchall, Stuart Anderson, N/K, Andrew Spence, N/K, Michael Bullet, Keith Record, N/K, The very famous Nigel Wood, 'Bronco' Layne, N/K. Apologies if I have made any mistakes. |
NAME: Nigel Wood .jpg "Nigel Wood") DATE: 13 December 2012 CONNECTION WITH QE: pupil 1957-64 Brian, I don't think you've made any mistakes. Brilliant! Do you think that the fourth row from the front ends (on the right) with Lowen and Lindsay-Neale? Curious that I can't name anyone in the left half of the Leicester photo, except David (D N L) Levy. I think he is fourth from the left in the fourth row from the front. He lived in Woodside Park, possibly Tillingham Way or Cissbury Ring. He achieved (real!) fame quite soon after leaving QE as international chess master, and promoter of chess challenges between computers and human beings. He has written many books on chess, and is an IT expert. |
NAME: Stephen Giles  DATE: 13 December 2012 CONNECTION WITH QE: inmate 1957-64 Further possible ID in the Leicester house photo (right‑hand section) - between Stuart Anderson and Andrew Spence, I think the boy's surname was Collison but have no idea of his first name. |
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NAME: Derek White DATE: 13 December 2012 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1955 -1962 After 50 years I'm pretty sure of the following. Right‑hand section, 4th row (l-r): M A Sigler, P J Cairns, Currell, J R Paternoster, A J Plowman(?), ???? 3rd row (l-r): C D N Dickman, G A Hunt, H L Johnstone, C H Shirley, R A Wright, G D Garstone, ???? |
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NAME: Brian Seal DATE: 15 December 2012 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1957-1963 Yes Nigel [reply 2], definitely David Lowen, and I think that must be Jeffrey Lindsay-Neale next to him (am I right in thinking he is no longer with us?). Also, think you are correct about Paul Collison. But why am I bothered - I was in Stapylton!!! |
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NAME: Stephen Giles DATE: 15 December 2012 CONNECTION WITH QE: inmate 1957-64 In the Broughton 1961 photo, I'm pretty sure that 2nd from right in 5th row is Eric Disdale - who played excellent bass in my band around 1967-69, and 3rd from right is Brian Eastwood. |
NAME: James (Jas) Cowen  .jpg "James Cowen gallery") Then & NowDATE: 21 December 2012 CONNECTION WITH QE: pupil 56-63 All of these replies are very interesting but we still await the photo of Harrisons House. I am assured by one correspondent to me, who was in Harrisons House, that he does indeed have a photo and it includes both himself and myself. I have urged him to send a copy and hope that one will arrive soon, or it may even have arrived given your temporary halt in posting photos to the Museum, Vic. In the meantime we do have that 1st XI photo of 1962, which does include some Harrisons guys - RT Plumb, RW Newton, AH Tarry and MA Wormald and the scorer, RW Beeny. I have been told by the same correspondent that RW Beeny died on 12th August 1999, so that it is good that we have at least one photo to remember him by. I saw both RW Newton and MA Wormald at the recent OE Annual Dinner, both of whom I played with in the Harrisons rugger team and they told me AH Tarry is also alive and well, living in my part of the country. I have always considered the house system a good thing. Neither my wife nor my children had houses at their schools. My wife often wonders why I talk about boys older than me at school. I say that one of the reasons is that we played games in sports teams in houses with boys of different ages against other teams with a similar composition. Of course there were other age mixing such as school plays, library committees etc. but houses were the main mixing ground. Incidentally in regard to the school photos why does Broughton have one for 1954 as well as 1960- 1? I do not recall the taking of one for Harrisons House let alone two photos. Did Broughton have a special photographer connection? The other main anomaly with my wife's old school is they never had form places for the different subjects. WEBMASTER'S NOTE: Those Harrisons' photos are now on site.. |
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NAME: James (Jas) Cowen Then & Now DATE: 03 January 2013 CONNECTION WITH QE: pupil 56-63 It is interesting to see all these entries trying to identify the pupils in the house photos of 50 years ago, sometimes successfully and sometimes not. It all seems good fun and adds to the historical accuracy. It does remind me of my daily habit of filling in gaps in the Daily Mail crosswords, which does maybe ward off for a little longer the onset of dementia we oldies are encouraged to avoid by exercising our brains, though I am not at all as old as some OEs you may meet at OE events. One OE who attends and whom I have enjoyed talking to, Roy is 82. But I digress. A useful lesson for all including non oldies to learn is in regard to photos taken do ask photographers to give you a list of names in the photos such as the 1st XI photo of 1962 does. Most people will forget many of the names 50 or 60 years later. Otherwise make your list at the time and keep with the photo, like I did with my wedding photos of 1971. |
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NAME: Derek White DATE: 10 March 2013 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1955 -1962 James Cowan's query [reply 7] re Broughton House photos from 1954 and 1961 is simply answered by the fact that my brother Kerry White appears in 1954 and I appear in 1961. Both photos sank into the family clutter and have resurfaced in time for the Stapyltonfield website. |
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NAME: Paul Buckland DATE: 15 March 2013 CONNECTION WITH QE: pupil 1962-69 In all the house photos, except Broughton, the House Master sits in the centre of the picture, but, as far as I can see, 'Tiger' does not appear in any photos connected with Broughton. Does anyone know why this was? Similarly I seem to remember that Broughton was the only house that did not have an Assistant House Master and yet all houses were approximately the same size. On a sad note I can confirm that Nick Causebrook died fairly shortly after leaving QE. He and I both attended the same church, where he lead the choir and his mother was the Church Organist. Sadly she died at about the same time. Nick's brother Mark Causebrook was also at QE and would have started in about 1964. I think he was a contemporary or Nick Dean, and of course in Broughton. |
NAME: Ian Sadler  DATE: 16 March 2013 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1951-58 On the assistant housemaster theme, the first house to have one was Underne in 1954, probably because Poker was also second master (deputy head). I am not quite sure what an assistant housemaster did unless it was to dish out the blue lines paper at the end of each day. Poker's assistant housemaster was Dennis Molyneux (1953-55) who taught Gym and French. I thought he was a great guy. At gym the morning after I had played a short piano solo in a concert he came up to me and said in loud voice, intending that the whole class should hear, "I very much enjoyed your solo yesterday; well done; keep it up". He left QE to take up a lectureship physical education in Durham University. He now lives, aged 84, in Leabrooke, South Australia. Can any one remember who followed him as Underne's assistant housemaster? Dilley didn't arrive until 1957. I think the next house to have one was Leicester when Frosty was housemaster and Ken Carter was the assatant. I was quite surprised to hear that he had not been made Housemaster when Frosty retired. |
NAME: Nick Dean  .JPG "Nick Dean gallery") DATE: 19 March 2013 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1964-71 I'm tempted to suggest that Ken may have been too sensible to be appointed housemaster, or too young, or both [see reply above]. However, Grotty Smith, who I assume was Winter's direct successor, was also a level-headed and equable man, and Pinnock must have been younger than Ken when he was setting up Harrisons. I do know that, when Poker retired in 1971, Ken was one of two serious internal candidates for the Second Mastership (other being Grahame Morris), but apparently he was not shortlisted. The job went to an outsider, as I think was largely pre-ordained, though Ken would have been a sound, stabilising choice (as would Boris). I don't know about his later career, but he may well have suffered from having been at QE man and boy. For me, he was easily the most impressive and rounded of the OE masters. I recall also that, when TBE asked masters not to wear gowns when the school turned comprehensive, Ken continued to robe himself regardless. This apparent bloody- mindedness tended to earn respect from the very boys the new policy was presumably intended to impress! When I arrived at the school, I tbink there were just 3 assistant housemasters, all of them OEs: Thomas (Stapylton) and Fry (Harrisons) - both 'Marmite' masters - and Ken. I don't think JP had an assistant then, but Jack Curry, who taught French, was appointed after a year or two. He had left by the time I did. (I'm not sure if he actually called himself Jack - he was John - but he was known as that anyway because his initials were JAC. He once issued some lines paper to a boy, stating the reason as "AA" - "arsing about"). My surviving 1971 Elizabethan confirms that JP was succeeded as Housemaster by Keith Wiseman, another Marmite OE, with David Patrick and Mr Hawley (whom I don't recall) as his assistants. In the same term, Alfie became the first Housemaster of Pearce. I assume that Ken eventually took over Leicester from GLS ! |
13th DATE: 22 March 2013 CONNECTION WITH QE: pupil 1957-64 I'm owning up: I don't know what 'Marmite' means in the context of 'Marmite master' or "Marmite OE' [reply 12]. This may reveal an inability to think laterally or merely a fossilised vocabulary. Could it mean: boys at the school in the fifties - arguably the heyday of Marmite? This would certainly distinguish the marmitic Thomas, Fry and Wiseman from the non-marmitic Ken Carter, but it seems a bit tenuous. Help! |
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NAME: Nick Dean DATE: 22 March 2013 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1964-71 Marmite - you either love it or you hate it: ie views about a person or thing are notably polarised. It's been applied to, among others, Ed Miliband and TV gardener Carol Klein. Apologies for the presumption. I do quite like Marmite myself ...) |
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NAME: Nigel Wood DATE: 25 March 2013 CONNECTION WITH QE: pupil 1957-64 It's a fair cop - as feared, a failure to think laterally. But I was once shouted at by Carol Klein. Her words were "Will you come out of there!". |
16th DATE: 27 March 2013 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1964-71 Coincidentally I've just read an article that described Boris Johnson as a Heineken politician - supposedly reaching the parts that other Tories can't. To whom at QE might this have applied? Maybe Eric Shearly who was sometimes put up to make direct appeals to the assembled school on matters where a bit a street cred was deemed desirable. |
17th Then & NowDATE: 07 April 2013 CONNECTION WITH QE: pupil 56-63 You mention, Nigel, the '50s as being arguably the heyday of Marmite [reply 13]. I would suggest that Marmite, that great yeast product, is going as strongly as ever, as is Bovril, which incidentally did of course becomre non-beef after the BSE scares but has now reverted back again. My daughter,Grace, in the '70s won a Butlins competition as one of the Bisto Kids, another product still going strong. A lot earlier her mum told her not to open her mouth in photos as she had tooth problems and when she entered the competition she said "I remember what you said about not opening my mouth." It seemed to have worked. Incidentally I wonder what my old fellow pupil, John Dawlish, who went in to advertising would say about marmite advertising. Unlike most products it actually admits that some people are going to hate it as well as like it. Probably the most interesting advert in the world! (to copy a certain lager product). |
18th DATE: 07 April 2013 CONNECTION WITH QE: pupil 1957-64 And who among us has not, at some time in his life, aspired to be like a Consulate? |
19th DATE: 08 April 2013 CONNECTION WITH QE: Pupil 1964-71 Lord Alanbrooke, who was Chief of the Imperial General Staff during the Second World War, recorded in his diary walking back to Downing Street with Churchill late at night. As they arrived at No 10, the PM issued, in his distinctive growl, an invitation anticipating the answer "yes": "Do you like Bow- vrill?" Because of the cold weather recently, I have been drinking more Bowvrill than usual and confess that I often refer to it in this Churchillian style. |
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NAME: Nigel Wood DATE: 08 April 2013 CONNECTION WITH QE: pupil 1957-64 James: you are almost certainly right that Marmite has gone from strength to strength since the '50s (excluding Marmageddon in NZ). I was clutching at straws in suggesting that the fifties was the heyday of Marmite, though for me it was, as Marmite was then an exotic treat to be savoured at other children's tea-tables; my home was - dry your tears of pity - Marmite-free. And now for a test: which piece of apparatus, seen in QE Chemistry labs, was invented by the man who promoted yeast extract as a valuable food (or food supplement)? |
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